Comments on: Does taking 22 pills a day make you any healthier?

By: Bev RN

Bev RN — Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:31:36 +0000

Hey Rob, I just read your post. You sound really frustrated! Seriously, try to relax a little. I know when I write something to include here or on someone else’s site, I always wonder if it’ll show up. I try to offer something pertinent and coherent, and so far what I’ve offered has been posted. Still, if it isn’t someday, my thinking is, “Well, that’s their prerogative. Their site, their call.” and let it go.

Carolyn, I like your disclaimers. Excellent. You let me and everyone else know how things run right at the outset. You are a straight up, true blue member of the subcategory of the human race known as “honest humans” (aka honest humen, haha). Is there any worry about the extinction of this subcategory?

Best to you both. But hey, wait a minute. Rob, are you really a salesman for those pills that guy took? Why didn’t you say so? It makes me wonder about your honesty now for not saying so. If you’d just spoken up, I’d have wanted to ask you a lot of things about the supplements. Well, it’s okay. I’m too busy right now to pay attention to answers anyway.

Carolyn, Rob – Y’all have a great day!

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By: Carolyn Thomas

Carolyn Thomas — Sat, 29 Jun 2013 15:09:12 +0000

Hello Rob – don’t forget to show your attorney my site’s official disclaimer page. Good day.

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By: Robert Wojtylo

Robert Wojtylo — Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:50:38 +0000

Dear Carolyn Thomas: I have kept all of my posts beginning May 20, 2013 at 11:12 am. You have refused to post subsequent posts after this date because they are not in your best interest. I request that you cease and desist (contact your attorney about the meaning of this term) the posting of my post on the date of May 20, 2013 at 11:12 am. 3rd notice: June 29, 2013 at 10:43 am.

You have 30 days to remove the post dated May 20, 2013 at 11:12 am. I have asked you to remove that post because you failed to let me post my rebuttal to your comment. Since you refused my rebuttal and you fail to remove the post I will wait until July 31, 2013.

If my original post is not delete I will contact my attorney to take legal action for failing to remove the post dated May 20, 2013 at 11:12 am after you were sent the cease and desist order three times. Good day.

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By: Carolyn Thomas

Carolyn Thomas — Mon, 20 May 2013 20:26:25 +0000

Hello Rob – Cloud doesn’t “blame” the supplements for his weight gain. He quite clearly attributes this to the commonly described “licensing effect”. In essence, you seem to be agreeing with his take-away message (“getting your vitamins by eating right”) without actually disclosing your conflict of interest as a USANA dealer.

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By: Rob Wojtylo

Rob Wojtylo — Mon, 20 May 2013 18:12:39 +0000

Mr. Cloud conducted an independent study with no comparison to other products. He went on to blame the products for his weight gain. He admits to starting his study in January finishing in June, usually the time when most people sit indoors and don’t get their daily exercise. Mr. Cloud also mentioned “the licensing effect” which he used as a reason to eat more cheeseburgers, fries, and onion rings.

Blaming poor food choices on a nutritional supplements is something like saying that since I’m wearing a helmet I’ll hit myself in the head with a baseball bat. I would like to know what his blood results would have been had he not been taking the USANA Supplements. I challenge him to conduct the same study from January to June 2014 using products like Centrum, One-A-Day or something from a local vitamin store. I think he will be astounded by the results.

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By: vernietuason

vernietuason — Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:36:53 +0000

Reblogged this on Beauty Geek Shop.

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By: Carolyn Thomas

Carolyn Thomas — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:16:27 +0000

Hello Bev – no, you’re not living in outer space! I think there are many of us out here who are increasingly alarmed by what’s become known as “marketing-based medicine” – in fact,one of the reasons I launched The Ethical Nag two years ago was the fistful of daily cardiac meds I was suddenly prescribed following my heart attack. The more I learned about the pervasive influence of Big Pharma on medicine, the more I realized that I have no clue which of those drugs were prescribed for me based on flawed research and tainted medical journal articles – and worse, neither do my doctors!

Thanks for your comments here.
cheers,
C.

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By: Bev

Bev — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:46:52 +0000

Carolyn, if you will allow me, I want to digress to the issue of ethics and marketing. I’m responding to your post above, and quoted here:

“It is in the best interests of the shareholders of EVERY company selling ANYTHING to convince consumers that we “need” to purchase their products. And the more we buy, the better it is for them.”

I certainly know what you’re talking about but when it comes to ethics, it is blatantly wrong. Needing to sell something isn’t enough reason to convince people they actually need to buy it when the seller has no reason to believe they do need what he’s selling. It is especially wrong to convince them they need it To Be Healthy when the seller has no idea if that is true.

I may be living in outer space, but I just don’t think it is right nor should it be necessary to try to sell anything to anyone just because the seller wants to make money. Why can’t sellers find something buyers will want to buy without being “sold” a bill of goods to convince them they need it? Can’t sellers just allow the buyer to decide for him or herself? It seems like we’ve gotten a long way from right and wrong in this society, and this is a perfect example. There are a lot of claims made on products someone wants to sell that seem to me to be flat out lies. How is it that we just shrug that off?

Does this issue have meaning for other readers here? Am I just too old fashioned?

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By: Carolyn Thomas

Carolyn Thomas — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:51:30 +0000

It is in the best interests of the shareholders of EVERY company selling ANYTHING to convince consumers that we “need” to purchase their products. And the more we buy, the better it is for them. It is especially in the best interests of those selling nutriceutical supplements to convince us that we cannot survive on a diet of healthy food without purchasing their products.

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By: Maurice Grout

Maurice Grout — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:08:22 +0000

Certainly this Time mag paper does not pretend much yet it does conveys wrong messages to a huge reading audience (that sounds weird, a reading audience, ay be a reader body would suit better ? Sorry, not a native speaker) :

– that anything can be assessed through one anecdotal experiment. WHich many hold true.
– that surrogate endpoints such as lipid profile mean anything. Which is deepply wrong. People are happy with a low cholesterol yet have a highly deleterious way of life (diet, activity etc.) and end up with sudden death or CCU care in the hospital.

Doing so it contributes to further entrench deleterious wrong messages in the readers’ minds.
It’s an amusing piece of humomr at best. I think USANA could be better criticised.

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By: USANA WatchDog

USANA WatchDog — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:57:11 +0000

Carolyn,

What do you think about the fact that USANA’s online “Product Advisor” that John Cloud used to determine which USANA vitamins he needs, is flawed? It doesn’t matter if you put every answer as the best possible choice, USANA recommends at least $100 worth of product each month (mainly due to the fact USANA requires a mandatory purchase by its distributors of at least $100 worth of product every month in order to participate in the business opportunity). That is fraud if you ask me. I’ve been researching USANA for over 5 years now and the one responsible for those statistics you get from National Business Review.

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