Comments on: Does knowing change behaving? https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/ Marketing Ethics for the Easily Swayed Fri, 26 Aug 2016 00:40:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Health Tips https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-56397 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:46:21 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-56397 […] such patient commented on one of Thomas’s blog posts, saying that after she was diagnosed with a chronic condition, she developed an app to track her […]

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By: CutFatBlog https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-56343 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:57:19 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-56343 […] such patient commented on one of Thomas’s blog posts, saying that after she was diagnosed with a chronic condition, she developed an app to track her […]

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By: My Lymphoma Journey https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-55416 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:02:09 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-55416 […] post by Carolyn Thomas on the limits of health apps and the like in changing behaviour in Does Knowing Change Behaving?, noting, like I have earlier, that without these being linked to a better understanding of the […]

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-55315 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:43:16 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-55315 Thanks for this, Bev. Whether we’re talking about high- or low-tech self-tracking, you have confirmed (as Jane Sarasohn-Kahn explains above) that, although one-third of consumers will buy new fitness technology like pedometers, calorie trackers, fitness video games, digital weight scales or heart rate monitors in the next year, most of these potential buyers already consider themselves to be “in good or excellent physical health”. My next post deals with the emerging (and creepy!) trend of deliberately using humiliation and shame as a motivator in self-tracking devices.

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By: Bev RN https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-55279 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:37:11 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-55279 Well, Carolyn, this has been quite thought provoking. I am not one of your many highly motivated, health oriented readers who seem to be here in abundance. Can I buy a ticket and join? I need to, since I don’t do almost any of those healthy things which the human body loves, such as eating right, exercising, sleeping regularly and enough, and…. And I need to join you all since I haven’t figured out how to do it on my own. I am your perfect test subject: the person who needs motivation!

Here’s my experience using an App. My App is a pencil and a sheet of paper. Low tech app. I have learned with my recent introspection that it is not a motivator for me except in a very minimal way. When graphing, or just documenting how I’m doing in my effort to improve some aspect of my behavior, I do feel like it motivates me a little if I see some success. The App gives me something tangible to see or to show others how well I’m doing. A good old attaboy and a sense of pride. I mostly feel its positive effect, though, after I’ve already succeeded.

Then there’s the other side of the App experience: failure. With failure in my efforts, my graph is a huge, visible, horrifying billboard announcing to anyone in sight of it of what a loser I am! I am so embarrassed! How obvious it is to everyone that I screwed up! The very FIRST thing I always do whenever I give up is to GET RID OF THE EVIDENCE! Rip that #$%# up and throw it away! I feel so ashamed, especially with the chart there for me and everyone to see, that I think it’s harder for me to try again than it would have been if I hadn’t used a chart at all. By not using a chart, if I failed, I could fail privately, and then get up and try again.

To summarize, Carolyn, my experience with apps is this: get rid of them. I am trying again, I am not making a stupid graph, and I am not telling a soul! shhhh

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By: Andrew https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-54865 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:57:39 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-54865 🙂

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-54839 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:05:52 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-54839 Agreed! Or, as Pew Internet’s Susannah Fox likes to say (and as every woman knows), the “skinny jeans” in her closet are an effective self-tracking tool, too.

Thanks for ‘weighing’ in here, Andrew. (*groan*)

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-54837 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:56:48 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-54837 Thanks for clearing that up, Len! Good luck with that website, and thanks also for your support.

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By: Andrew https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-54832 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:38:46 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-54832 Good piece. I always felt that the proof that these apps and the like won’t change behaviour was, as in one of your quotes, the failure of the mirror and scale to reduce obesity – and these have been around for 50 years or more.

That being said, at certain points of my treatment, I found daily blood pressure and weight checks gave me a sense of being more on top of how things were going, beyond the all important qualitative and other indicators. I have also become enamoured of my Fitbit as it tracks my activity and sleep automatically, and reminds me to keep active through the psychological trick of badges etc. But objectively, I am active so it is more ‘preaching to the converted’ than changing behaviour.

My sense is that more work – or use of existing work – on the psychology of behaviour change and how to ‘nudge’ change (to use Kahneman’s and Thaler’s term), would even be better than talking to users (although that is needed to). I see that Fitbit has done a bit of that and it is disarmingly effective – if I am close to getting a ‘badge’ for 25 sets of stairs climbed, I will go up and down a number of times to get the ‘badge’. Silly but it works!

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By: lengould https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-54831 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:42:46 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-54831 Blood Glucose Level……diabetes. Have to say monitoring with an iphone app is very helpful. Will be in touch soon as website is slowly crawling to a launch, dedicated to emotional issues for heart patients, their family, carers and health workers.

Still recommending your site to Aussie audiences.

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2013/01/13/does-knowing-change-behaving/comment-page-1/#comment-54788 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:29 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=10454#comment-54788 Hi Ed – you’ve got it! Those two key points you’ve mentioned are at the crux of my impatience with the hypemeisters. Thanks so much for sharing your perspective here.

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