Comments on: Things your doctor may not know https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/ Marketing Ethics for the Easily Swayed Wed, 01 Feb 2017 05:09:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: cave76 https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-26768 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:12:19 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-26768 On Being A ‘Difficult’ Patient

Found at:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/27/5/1416.full

“In the clinical world, the term difficult is applied to a variety of patients: the noncompliant; the rude, abusive, and manipulative; the malingering; the mentally ill; the skeptical.

In my case, I too frequently challenged my doctors with questions and too often chose a treatment that differed from what they’d recommended. I consider myself to be an assertive patient, but it was clear on many occasions that some providers thought I deserved the “difficult” label.”

” Being difficult was my natural response when my doctor was incompetent, rude, or domineering. I didn’t need a physician to be my “perfect agent” (the phrase from health economics that the physician is the patient’s agent).

I needed a physician to be an additional source of information and insight to support my informed decision making. I wasn’t interested in being told what to do, and I expected my doctors to respect my right to make truly informed choices that were consistent with the way in which I wanted to intervene in my disease and live my life.”

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20941 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:46:50 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20941 Thanks for those links, cave.

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By: cave76 https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20939 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:57:26 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20939 From Medscape Medical News & Oncology
J Natl Cancer Inst. Published online November 9, 2011

US Colorectal Cancer Screening Strategy Questioned
Nick Mulcahy, November 9, 2011 — The use of colonoscopy as the primary screening strategy for colorectal cancer in the United States, which has been famously dubbed “going the distance,” might be a case of going too far, suggests an editorial published online November 9 in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
[…]
The United States “adopted a primary colonoscopy strategy for [colorectal cancer] screening” despite a lack of strong evidence that its benefits surpass those of other strategies”, they say.
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The “great majority” of findings at colonoscopy are not cancers, but instead are small low-risk adenomas and nonadenomatous polyps, they emphasize. Current practice in the United States dictates that all polyps, regardless of size, be removed. This practice, which has “an uncertain net effect” on the patient, has led gastroenterologists astray, they note. “When our goal changes from reducing [colorectal cancer] mortality within reasonable levels of harms and costs to eradicating every existing polyp, we are taking our eyes off the ball,” they write.
[…]

Read the entire Medscape article

But there are many trails of corn to follow!

I’m going down the rabbit-hole of following the links—- again. I hope others can persevere.

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20521 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:29:27 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20521 Hi Bev – that is quite the story, and the fact that the murmur was missed repeatedly (by cardiologists!) is especially troubling. Interesting that the ER doc picked it up, but not the people whose sole focus is the heart.

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By: Bev https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20511 Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:50:51 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20511 Well, there’s certainly room to forgive doctors for not knowing everything. However, I have encountered such an amazing array of incompetent doctors of late that it has truly shaken me.

I’m an RN and while I keep my eyes open, I think I’m more than fair – forgiving, even, to a point. Nevertheless, based on my experiences, I believe we have a serious problem. It’s not just an educate the patient problem, though that’s certainly sorely needed, and it’s not just an “I can’t possibly know everything” problem, though that’s certainly true, as well.

It’s a problem with incompetence! Now I am basing this on my own personal experiences, so I will acknowledge this “error in assumption” right now. You are right that anecdotes and personal experiences are no basis for making generalized assumptions. However, were you me, you might have a hard time remembering that. If I weren’t a nurse and weren’t paying attention, I’d have been in surgery at least 3 times in the last few years when there was absolutely no need for any of them. All were errors in diagnosis. Along with the unneeded surgeries, I’d also have permanent damage from an injury, had I not hesitated before doing the exercises prescribed by the specialist I saw. Thankfully, I did hesitate and got a second opinion. The exercises would have been perfect, except for the small problem that he had completely misdiagnosed the nature of my injury. This kind of repeated experience is very scary. And to make it worse, these doctors were all subspecialists!

In one case, I’m convinced it was a case of needing to make money, with that doctor recommending unneeded surgery and fast. However, the primary problem seems to be poor assessment skills. Here is one striking example. While it didn’t cause me any harm, it certainly got my attention and I’ll wager it will get yours:

I was in the hospital to determine if I had had a heart attack. The ER doctor had listened to my heart and had heard a heart murmur. “Did you know you have a murmur?” he asked me. I told him “No.” He reassured me that it wasn’t a murmur to worry about, so I was glad to hear that. Once in the hospital, I mentioned this murmur to the first of many cardiologists who saw me. After he completed his exam, I remembered what the ER doctor had said and remarked, “You know, the ER doctor said I have a murmur.” He said, “You do?” He bent to listen again, stood up after a bit and said, “Yes, you do have a murmur.” I was surprised by this and I repeated the sequence with the next cardiologist who saw me. Same response. “You do?” He listens again. “Oh, yes. You do.” I repeated this with every cardiologist I saw, and I had a slew of them as “cardiac hospitalists.”

I got exactly the same response from every one. Not a single exception. I was not at risk of harm by this failure on their part, but thank heaven for that! Not a single heart specialist seeing me for a heart problem had assessed my heart sounds well enough to hear the heart murmur. This and my other unsettling experiences have nothing to do with “not being able to remember it all.” They are examples – far too many examples to be encountered by a single patient – of plain old incompetence. And I repeat: These are ALL SUB-SPECIALISTS!

I want to know: what is going on?

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20402 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:01:56 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20402 Agreed. It’s also a generational problem – many patients are used to just sitting there quietly while their doctor interprets test results, reviews treatment plans, prescribes meds. When you ask them later: “What did the doctor tell you?”, they can be quite confused, even though at the time, they may have been smiling and nodding as if they understood the doc completely.

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By: Dr Joe https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20400 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:35:56 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20400 In an ideal world much of the role of a doctor should be to educate people about health so that situations like that one do not arise. Alas we have a long way to go

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20322 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:16:20 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20322 You are so right – patients need to be both informed and accountable. But just yesterday, a middle-aged woman in my heart health talk audience put her hand up and said: “I’ve been taking pills for a ‘heart rhythm problem’ – what does that mean?”

Yikes.

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20321 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:02:05 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20321 It’s true, Tzatziki – my mechanic hasn’t yet been able to figure out why my car horn honks when I shift down, but that lack of knowledge isn’t going to kill me.

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By: Dr. Joe https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20319 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:27:52 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20319 It is not humanly possible to know everything from all angles. This is why it is so important for people to be informed about health and be aware of their own bodies. In my experience the people who end up knowing the most about a disease (eg asthma, diabetes) are those who have lived with it for years.

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By: Tzatziki https://ethicalnag.org/2011/11/07/what-your-doctor-may-not-know/comment-page-1/#comment-20276 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:59:30 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=6683#comment-20276 I’m not at all surprised by this list of things many doctors may not be aware of. How could they? None of us has an encyclopedic knowledge of ANY given subject (that’s what Google’s for) but the difference is that patients face life and death consequences if doctors don’t actually know what we trust doctors to know about.

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