Comments on: How the “shrink’s bible” can make you sick https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/ Marketing Ethics for the Easily Swayed Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:00:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jornal Mapa https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-250011 Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:00:52 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-250011 […] retirados daqui […]

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By: zaidpub https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-132850 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 00:56:06 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-132850 […] How the “Shrink’s Bible” Can Make you Sick […]

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By: Choctaw Doc's Cerebratorium https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-80324 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 02:48:34 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-80324 […] How the “Shrink’s Bible” Can Make you Sick […]

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By: Dr:Joe Today https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-45459 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 06:05:34 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-45459 […] listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, commonly considered the ‘shrink’s bible’. The Wall Street Journal […]

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By: Dr Joe Today https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-20936 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:53:50 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-20936 […] listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, commonly considered the ‘shrink’s bible’. The Wall Street Journal […]

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By: victor https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-16368 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:48:09 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-16368 Prohibition in a “nutshell”.

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-14353 Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:51:33 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-14353 In reply to Dr. Steve Parker.

I appreciate these excellent points, Steve. Isn’t it interesting that until you can “bill” for something, it doesn’t actually exist? As a heart attack survivor like you, I’m very interested in the subject of PTSD following heart attack. As the Canadian Medical Association Journal has reported: “…a heart attack can leave people as psychologically traumatized as victims of violence…”
Cheers,
C.

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By: Dr. Steve Parker https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-14251 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:25:14 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-14251 Carolyn —

I have to use the DSM-IV on a daily basis; one can’t bill insurance without it….

Part of the problem is the whole “medical model”, which assumes the metaphor of physical illness when dealing with matters of the mind and soul…. (Jung talks about the problem of our times being “Modern Man in Search of a Soul” — I don’t think you can bill insurance for this deep cultural and personal problem… better just to see it as “anxiety” or “depression” )

And I think over-diagnosing kids as bipolar was a travesty….

On a positive note, I would suggest that the inclusion and recognition of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder in the DSM-IV (a story in itself) has been a very important shift in cultural consciousness about how trauma can affect people….

Like everything else, the DSM-IV is political… the decisions are made by committees of people with vested interests and opinions, reflective of the culture biases…

Thanks for bringing this to people’s attention….

steve

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-14216 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 05:11:37 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-14216 In reply to John McDonald.

Interesting points, John. Anti-depressants are not, however, usually prescribed ‘for life’. The U.K.’s Royal College of Psychiatrists, for example, reports that “without any treatment, most depressions will get better after about 8 months. Current recommendation is that it is best to take antidepressants for at least six months after patients start to feel better, except for those with two or more attacks of depression, in which case treatment is continued for at least two years.” Regardless of the duration, however, it does seem that “bundling” two diagnoses for the price of one certainly expands market share for Big Pharma.
Thanks for your comments.
Cheers,
C.

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By: John McDonald https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-14214 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:43:46 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-14214 Two marketing exercises in “bundling” disorders which have had serious negative consequences have been AD/HD and anxiety/depression.

The bundling of two previously unrelated disorders, one common (hyperactivity) and one uncommon (attention deficit) to spread the drug market share (Ritalin – a dopamine agonist for attention deficit) of the uncommon disorder to the much larger market, hyperactivity.

On reading the diagnostic criteria for ADHD in DSM IV, I cannot find a single “sign” which does not describe the normal behaviour of children. To prescribe stimulants for children with “hyperactivity” (the new word for behaving like a child), even if the diagnosis were correct, is appalling!

Anxiety/depression? Anxiolytics (drugs which “dissolve anxiety” – an interesting metaphor) are only taken when needed but anti-depressants are for the rest of your life “regardless of how good you feel because that just means the drugs are working well”.

To move occasional customers over to permanent daily consumers is no doubt good for pharamaceutical market share, but what does it do for the patients? Anxious people can now worry about the depression they did not previously know they had, and depressed people can also become more depressed about their newly discovered anxiety disorder.

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2011/07/02/dsm-5-shrinks-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-14213 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:40:11 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=5190#comment-14213 In reply to Dr Joe.

Hi Dr. Joe – When a credible source like Dr. Frances reveals his own concerns like this, it unfortunately casts doubt on the entire profession, even upon those who work hard in the mental health field to help those who genuinely need help. But the pervasive financial influence of drug companies on even clinical practice guidelines is frightening. Thanks so much for your comments.
Cheers,
C.

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