Comments on: Sock puppetry, astroturfing, and the marketing ‘shill’ game https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/ Marketing Ethics for the Easily Swayed Sat, 01 Aug 2015 10:51:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: CompassUnibo https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/comment-page-1/#comment-407131 Sat, 01 Aug 2015 10:51:48 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=1600#comment-407131 […] con le prese di posizione di qualche blogger attivo nel campo della salute, come ad esempio Carolyn Thomas:  già nel 2010 Carolyn invita i pazienti internauti a vigilare, ed elenca una serie di pratiche […]

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By: W.R. Dole https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/comment-page-1/#comment-7781 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:45:40 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=1600#comment-7781 “..In online discussion media, parties may express specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest…”

A good place to see this is in the comments section of website articles about the evils of Big Pharma. Inevitably, including here on your site, you’ll find pro-Pharma responses, clearly written by those hired to support the industry. So obvious…

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By: DB Cooper https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/comment-page-1/#comment-3148 Fri, 07 May 2010 02:52:31 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=1600#comment-3148 Technically-speaking, the NY Attorney General never actually sued Lifestyle Lift (and thus, he never “won” the case, either). Cuomo’s office investigated privately, and the parties reached a settlement. Only then did he issue the press release with specific allegations.

Substantively, it’s essentially the same, and the procedure is tricky – I had to read it 3 times, and I’m an advertising lawyer. Other than that nit, great post. I enjoyed it.

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By: Brent O'G. https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1419 Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:30:18 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=1600#comment-1419 Here in Canada, we have an interesting political development with the sudden ‘resignation’ of Helena Guergis, a federal cabinet minister who likes to have media-publicized temper tantrums in airports and who, coincidentally, has had two of her own astroturfing Parliamentary staff publicly slammed recently for their gushy letters to the media praising their boss – letters that conveniently left out the part that they work for her.

Here’s how Maclean’s magazine described one of these: Valerie Knight, who has worked for Guergis for three and a half years in her Alliston constituency office, says it never crossed her mind to disclose their affiliation when she sent a letter to the editor on March 14. The letter was written in response to the Maclean’s article called “Power couple, unplugged,” about Guergis and her husband, former MP Rahim Jaffer, who have been scandal-plagued lately.”

This ‘power couple’ is vying for the Most Pathetically Slimy Political Couple Award and is clearly in first place so far.

By the way, Guergis is of course claiming that she was utterly unaware that her two staffers were coincidentally writing letters to the media in praise of their beleaguered boss.

Makes you wonder just how dumb can these people possibly be?

Astroturfing, sock puppetry, whatever we call it – is alive and well in Canadian politics.

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By: Carolyn Thomas https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1117 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:22:22 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=1600#comment-1117 In reply to Patrick Baker.

Hi Patrick and thanks so much for your astute comments. I agree – those ‘underhanded lengths’ are amazing yet, sadly, not surprising. If a marketing scam works, and if it will make money/counter a bad reputation/make shareholders happy, and if business thinks there’s a pretty good chance of getting away with it, there are many out there who’ll stop at almost nothing to sell that Brooklyn Bridge to those willing to buy.

The New York case is important, I think, because perhaps it does signify a shift in our willingess to tolerate this kind of marketing fraud.
cheers,
C.

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By: Patrick Baker https://ethicalnag.org/2010/03/22/shill-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1116 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:43:32 +0000 http://ethicalnag.org/?p=1600#comment-1116 Dear Carolyn,

Thanks for an excellent expository piece. It, and the simple messages it contains, are long, long overdue. I’ve worked in PR and advertising for nearly 40 years and remain perpetually amazed at the underhanded lengths some companies will go to to push their products or services. It’s time someone went to jail for this crap and I hope you put a little grease on the slide.

I wish I knew precisely how gullible the public is. Lately, it seems to know no bounds. “Dollars for Gold” is a typical scam that really frosts my cookies. It’s easy to say that anyone who responds to this, at best, unscrupulous offer is an “innocent victim” of a fraud.

Personally, I think that anyone who responds to a fast-talking Aussie shill by putting their unwanted gold in a plastic bag and mailing it off to God knows where to be evaluated by God knows who, and then complain loudly and bitterly when they get a cheque for $4.83 by return mail should be examined by a psychiatrist to see precisely how much their ability to think rationally has been diminished.

Are these “Brooklyn Bridge” marketers getting smarter, or are we just “dumbing down” in leaps and bounds? The future just got a little bit more frightening for every voice of reason.

Cheers,

Patrick

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